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Andy said,         
April 3 2009

For some reason, that latest episode of Family Guy is not available on hulu…censorship!

I think you are right, Mormonism is just as ridiculous as Scientology (and other religions for that matter) but once Scientology becomes more mainstream, suddenly it won’t be ok to make fun of it. Then South Park won’t be able to show this episode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet_(South_Park) any more. This was the episode which led Isaac Hayes (Chef) to leave the show.

As for substituting Darwin for God, I get the joke, but if they take their religion seriously I can see how they would be offended…though I do not think it warrants not wanting anything to do with you. On my father’s side of the family, during holiday meals, grace was usually said, and I tended to just quietly waiting to eat. Sometimes I looked around, and my aunt’s husband (my uncle) kind of did the same thing so I had a fellow non-believer at the table humoring the others. Neither one of us was ever asked to do grace probably because we would have said something like: “Food looks great. Let’s eat!”

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Sarah said,         
April 3 2009

What the??? The Hulu ep was working fine yesterday! D’oh! For those who haven’t seen Not All Dogs Go to Heaven, try youtube or some such.
Yes, I saw the South Park re Scientology and know about the result of Isaac Hayes quitting. I think that was chauvinist on his behalf, since the show makes fun of a lot of religions, but when they made fun of *his*….them was fightin’ words.
Scientology is ridiculous, is begging to be made fun of, and like many religions, is dangerous, not to mention annoying. We find their origin story more ridiculous bc we’re just more used to the account of the bible about the talking snake.
Sam (my brother) doesn’t take religion *that* seriously, to my mother’s hypocritical dismay. He doesn’t want me around for the same reason he doesn’t want the rest of the family around: bc he’s being a jerk. It has nothing or little to do with God.
What’s wrong with “food looks great; let’s eat!”? I would say something like, “I’m grateful that we have food to eat and that we’re together as a family/friends.” It’s true.
If I’d just sat there quietly during grace with my brother and his family, that could just as easily be considered offensive, if you see what I mean. Leaving the room: even worse.

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Andy said,         
April 3 2009

What’s wrong would have been the lack of mention and thanks for god. I never thought of just sitting there quietly and not doing anything was considered offensive. I wonder if they were and just didn’t say anything about it? I guess I thought sitting there and listening wasn’t bad but if I put my headphones on for my Walkman or better yet putting my fingers in my ears and saying “blah blah blah blah” that would be offensive.

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Sarah said,         
April 3 2009

Good point, Andy…what would Peggy Post say about all this?
Admittedly, I didn’t want to just sit there. I wanted to be active about not thanking God, if you see what I mean, and I was kidding around a bit. Maybe that’s not the best thing, but I was trying to make a point, and that’s important to me.

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John said,         
April 4 2009

Some time ago, a guest had the cheek to say grace at my table, without so much as a by-your-leave. If it happens again, I propose to recite this spell after the meal –
“Absit ventus circum cor.
Likewisw epigastric sore.
Absit dolor in jejuno
Which, post prandium,
Quite a few know.
Absit tam insomnia.
Bismuth vincit omnia!”

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Sarah said,         
April 4 2009

Hi John,
I didn’t understand that, but it sounds delicious. Something about all of us having insomnia…uh…
It’s a dying tongue, darnit!
Sarah

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Andy said,         
April 4 2009

Hi Sarah,

Perhaps your next book can be cowritten with Peggy: “Ms. Trachtenberg’s Primer for Being a Polite
and Well-Mannered Atheist”

I can see what you said, “I’m grateful that we have food to eat and that we’re together as a family/friends.” as being a good neutral way of putting it without getting into the question of whether or not god exists. The meaning can be ascribed to it in whatever way the listener wants to take it.

Making your point may be something that could wind up costing your relationship with your brother. I had a similar situation with my father where I had an argument with him which wound up costing me. But it may very well be that these particular instances are really beside the point as you say and that there is going to be difficulty with these relationships no matter what you do.

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Sarah said,         
April 4 2009

Dear Andy,
I dunno…I don’t think I’d be her first choice for that tome. Clearly, I don’t know what I’m doing with regards to manners and atheism, although to my credit, I do say “thank you” and “please,” which a lot of people don’t seem to do…now I’m off-topic.
What you quoted is how I would say grace, but in the case of my brother’s family, I wasn’t the one saying it. I forget how that went exactly.
I see your point about costing me, but in this case, I think it’s superfluous…my brother is just going to avoid the rest of the family no matter how wonderful, pleasant, hilarious, whatever we are.

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