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Vision Collision said,         
January 16 2009

The last time I truly believed in God was probably around the age of 19 or 20.

For the next few years, I didn’t really think about the concept. My wife and I were married in a church (I was 21). Our parents wanted it, I was still comfortable enough with the people there, and my wife didn’t really care one way or the other (lifelong atheist, she.)

I had a few years of namby-pamby agnosticism, when I didn’t really examine my attitude toward a deity, but I developed a decidedly jaundiced view toward ‘religion’. Finally, when my mother died (when I was 26), I had a big rant and rave at “God”. It was foolish, intemperate and rather juvenile, but it helped to crystallize my beliefs. Or rather my lack of them.

Now, I can see no evidence whatsoever for a deity, and recognize the nonsense of religion for what it is – so I have to cop to being an atheist.

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Sarah said,         
January 17 2009

Hi Vision,
I’m sorry about your mother. It often seems like the death of a loved one makes people question God. It even worked for Ned Flanders, although he was, I think, questioning God’s judgment rather than existence after he lost Maude.
“Namby pamby” is an interesting choice of words…I think atheists perceive agnostics as gays perceive bisexuals: pick one and stick with it, darn it! I keep coming back to “atheists are the new gays,” even though I’m sick to death of “blank is the new blank.”
What about your process do you feel was foolish, intemperate, etc?

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Dan Caless said,         
January 20 2009

Well I ditched God when I discovered Objectivism. After reading The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged with their reason-based atheism I formally sat down one day and told myself, OK, no more God. And I was fascinated by this feeling I got – this “I’m alone in the world” feeling that there is no God watching out for us or things. I was surprised because I was not that religious at the time but I still got that rather poignant emotion for a short time. I think it underscores the lack of self responsibility that religion fosters – you really don’t have to be responsible for yourself because God is in the background looking out for you and can potentially bail you out.

I generally agree about agnostics, but I’d be careful about lumping anyone who isn’t sure about God into the agnostic camp. As an ‘ism’ agnosticism is a philosophical position – it’s doubting God on principle. Basically it’s just skepticism applied to the question of God. I think most agnostics are trying to be fence-sitters so as not to antagonize anyone.

Dan

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appetite4deduction said,         
January 29 2009

I never really ditched God, but I ditched the classic Judeo-Christian version a long time ago. It seems unthinkable that God can be pegged so easily into an impossibly perfect role, which is only as perfect as can be explained by observable reality.

Several years back, I did something Christians might find appalling. I had sort of an “anti-prayer.” Yes, people always plea when they pray, but what would happen if you “threaten” God instead? That’s exactly what I did.

The “anti-prayer” went something like this: “Listen up, disembodied graybeard on a cloud somewhere. I don’t think I ever asked much from you, and so I think I’m long overdue for a break. I thought if I did okay and helped others I’d get at least a little, but after having looked for a job this long, it’s clear to me that I’m going to get nothing for my goodwill.

“So you have a choice: throw me a lifeline soon, or I’ll halt my goodwill. I’ll become a vagabond, not hesitating to hurt others in order to advance myself. Free will is the one thing you can’t control, and it’s the one thing I will throw away no thanks to YOU!!”

And you know what? It worked! Delivering a smart-assed anti-prayer caused God to come through for me after all!

That God would never hear His name taken in vain, that He requires explicit conversion to faith, that He has no sense of humor–all just completely crazy assumptions. If you’ve ever read “The Amber Spyglass,” by Philip Pullman, you’ll realize that God actually COULD be threatened, perhaps even destroyed.

So, God is still around, for me. He’s a timid bureaucrat with His nuts cut off, but He’s still an okay dude.

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Sarah said,         
January 29 2009

Chris, your anti-prayer is so awesome. Can I use it sometime?

How do religious folks explain why liars and assholes tend to do so well– at least, financially? Maybe it’s true what you say: “throw me a lifeline or I’ll halt my goodwill.” Musta worked for J.R. Ewing, my favorite Machiavellian. You see my point 🙂
If God is all powerful, couldn’t he/she/it just take away our free will? Even if, you know, just for God’s cartoonish super-villainy?

Infidels, let’s all take part in a simultaneous anti-prayer and see what happens if a critical mass of us threatens God. Just make sure we all threaten the same god, or it might not work.

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Erin N said,         
February 3 2009

Hmmm… being a self-identified Agnostic and bisexual, I can assure you, I don’t do it just to sit on the fence and not piss people off.

The reason I’m agnostic is I really don’t have enough proof either way. I can’t really prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there is no “superior being” that resembles this idea of God, and I’ve had a few incidents in which pseudo-prayer seemed to work. However, I don’t buy into the bullsh*t that is organized religion either.

It’s actually kind of funny, my landlord keeps trying to convert me. He’s fairly nice for a persistent Christian, but he just doesn’t get that I’m happy the way I am. I respect that the whole Christianity thing has worked out for him, but as I explained to him in no uncertain terms, it would take a whole hell of a lot for me to believe in Jesus.

And I must say, I HATE how Christians use the bible as a source of absolute truth. He was telling me “the bible was written by the Holy Spirit”, my response “So, some ghost picked up a pen and wrote the whole thing?”. Oh, no, it was written by possessed people (my words, not his), which is kind of creepy when you think about it. It’s also total bull. It was written by people many years after Jesus died. Of course it’s inaccurate, of course they had an agenda. It’s also been selectively translated by many other people with agendas. One thing I forgot to ask, which I should always remember is “Oh, which version of the Bible are you talking about? King James, Jehovah’s Witness, original Greek?”

I mean, I feel a little bad because he is a nice guy. But if you’re actively trying to convert me, I am going to challenge you.

Me, I believe that maybe all the religions that preach kindness and love have a piece of the puzzle. If their is a supreme spirit, it takes whatever form people most relate to. Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity… they all have the same core tenants and if their is a “god, allah, Jehovah, (insert name here)”, then it’s all the same being or mana or whatever it may be.

What people don’t seem to get is that, if their is something out there, who are we to assume that we can even comprehend it? And if there is only one “correct” religion, then why are there so damn many of them in this world? And why are there so many religions and beliefs that predate your chosen religion?

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Sarah said,         
February 3 2009

Hi Erin,
I wasn’t trying to imply that bisexuals or agnostics are fence sitters…just that some people see them that way.
What is it with Xians and their zombie worship? If they take communion, they’re cannibals, too… wait…is it cannibalism if you’re eating your god, not a human?
I agree with you about the whole nice-guy-but-he’s-trying-to-convert-me. I wrote about that in another posting.
Yes, lots of agnostics say that we can’t possibly know if there is a god(s). Ultimately, I agree with this and I venture to say that so would any atheist, if you get down to it.

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Timotheus said,         
April 6 2009

The last time I truly believed in God was probably around the age of 19 or 20.
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The next time will be within 60 years or so.

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Sarah said,         
April 6 2009

Timotheus,
Hmmm. Are we talking about a deathbed conversion?

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